Ah...I got your attention didn't I?
Well, it's not all about sex, but some of it is...so just keep reading.
Yesterday I attended my marriage and family relations class for the second time. 'Bout half way through our 2 1/2 hour class I began to get really tired of hearing "the wife lecture".
Apparently, according to my teacher, wives could stop any and all divorces if they would just do 3 simple things. Which are...
1. Show your husband respect.
2. Stop nagging.
3. And give him sex.
(3 times a week or more for a healthy marriage, just in case you were wondering)
I nearly blew a gasket.
But Instead I simply asked, with all the calmness I could muster, why the heck she wasn't giving the same lecture to the husbands?
Next came a very lively discussion about sex, marriage, and other such things.
From here on out I will attempt to eliminate my sarcasm. I do believe this is a very serious topic, not to be taken lightly. I can't promise to be completely good, but I will try.
My teachers name is Larinda, she is passionate about marriage and keeping people married. I can relate to that. I feel the same way.
This is her soapbox in a nut shell...
This is her soapbox in a nut shell...
She contends, that as women we have so much power and control over our relationships that if we would just do the very simple things listed above that our husbands would naturally be better husbands.
Hmmm...I can see her point, to some degree at least.
I agree that women have the power the tear down or build up their husbands. I agree that nagging is not the best way to get your husbands to get to that list of "honey-do's". And I agree that husbands/wives need to feel the closeness that can only be shared by having sex.
By the way...I hate the word sex, it sounds cheap. For the purpose of this discussion it's the easiest choice of word. Sorry.
Back to my thought...
I get what she's saying. It makes sense. But don't you think it's sounds a little lop-sided? How 'bout a little mutual respect? How 'bout a little pat on the back? How 'bout a little romance? Well, apparently we could have all those things too, IF women weren't such poor communicators. Oh see, there goes the sarcasm, it just slipped out. Apparently, not getting what we want out of our husbands is our fault too.
*Disclaimer*
My husband is stinkin' awesome. Seriously. I have no room to complain. And I am not. He is nearly perfect. I must be one incredibly powerful women...wink, wink.
Larinda also claims that women expect way too much from their husbands, while men don't really expect that much from their wives. If women would just expect less, we'd all be happier. Her example...As a woman, she falls short of her own expectations of herself, so how could she possibly expect her husband to meet all of her expectations? He is bound to fall short as well.
I agree. Women do often times have high and unrealistic expectations, we do need to cut our husbands some slack. But is it realistic to not expect anything? Only to serve him, and give him sex on demand? I think not.
Obviously, I have a poor attitude. Not about marriage. Marriage is awesome and I feel incredible blessed to have the husband I do. But I'm not sure I'm completely sold on "the wife lecture".
So what do YOU think?
Do you think...respect, no nagging, and sex is the key to solving the over 50% divorce rate in this country? In all seriousness, I do think there is a lot of truth to this theory. I do think women have a huge influence for good or bad on a relationship. I do think that building up is always better then tearing down. I do think that sex is a very important part of a healthy marital relationship, but certainly not the cure-all.
I want to hear from you...even you "quiet read but never comment readers"...I know you're out there. Speak up. Is this the magic formula to save all marriages? Or just a recipe for really happy, lazy husbands?
What'cha thinkin'?
I want to hear from you...even you "quiet read but never comment readers"...I know you're out there. Speak up. Is this the magic formula to save all marriages? Or just a recipe for really happy, lazy husbands?
What'cha thinkin'?
12 comments:
I just stumbled across you blog and read this post. I agree that to keep your man happy those three things would work: more sex, less nagging and respect. But a marriage and a partnership has two people who need to be happy. In my opinion, all men have to do to prevent divorce is: 1. Help with the housework without needing to be asked more than once (we won't have to "nag" them) 2. Give more massages and other romantic gestures which will likely lead to more sex. 3. Show us more respect.
I hate nagging as much as my man hates to be nagged. If he helped out more I would have more free time to relax and spend with him. If he throws in a few massages and romantic time with me we could have more sex. And it would be nice to get a bit of respect for all the work I do around here on a daily basis.
I definitely don't think it is up to the wife to make the marriage work. Marriage is a partnership. You both need to be doing what you can to help the other and lift burdens. I don't think you can flat out say to Every couple, "Do this, this and this, and you will be fine." we all work differently, we all need different things from out spouse. Respect is VERY important. BOTH ways. Sex is important, but neither husband nor wife should feel Forced to to it. If each is doing their part to keep the other happy, felling respected, cared about, valued, wouldn't you think sex might come naturally as a deeper expression of that love? I would. But I could be wrong. As for how often you have it? I would think that would be up to the couple to decide... If all the other things are in place, I would think that really shouldn't matter or be anyone's business.
Also, IF both partners are truly trying to help and lift the other, I think nagging wouldn't be a huge problem.
Those are some of my thoughts. I do not agree with your teacher...it kinda bothers me that she is teaching those things. Anyways, im sure I could go on and on, but I'll stop there.
P.S. please excuse the many typos. I'm typing from my iPad.
I guess my thought is, you don't do those three things because you want your husband to do things for you or to get what you want. You do them so that he will be happier. We've sort of adopted the mentality that I do things I know will make him happy and he does the same for me, and it usually works out just fine.
Can I just say ditto to the other comments left?
At my cousin's sealing a few years ago the sealer looked at him and said, "Your job is to make her HAPPY, not BETTER. He then looked at her and said, "Your job is to make him HAPPY, not BETTER." I think THAT is the key to less divorce. To quit focusing on ourselves in our marriage and focus on the other person. Coupled with all the other things that make a marriage work.
I think your teacher was on the right track...sort of. Just in the wrong way. And waaaaaay to one sided. Was she only talking to women? Were there any men in the class? Is SHE married???
Thank you, Ladies, for being willing to comment on such a touchy subject. I agree with each of you. I too think the key is having a two-way, loving, respectful PARTNERSHIP. When two people are both committed to making the other happy it's a win/win.
McKenna-To answer your questions. Yes, she was primarily speaking to only the wives. That's what got me irritated. There are several married men in our class. I can imagine they all went home and told their wives that SHE was the problem in their marriage. And yes, she is married. Probably for 20+ years. I respect her passion for marriage, just not her approach. To her credit she may have been trying to rile the women to engage the conversation, maybe there will be a "husbands lecture" next week. I'm kinda hoping.
This topic gets pretty personal for me. I was married for 13 years to a man I thought was terrific. He treated me well (to my face), he helped others, he had a great career and it appeared that we had the perfect marriage.
I did those three things that you mentioned in this post. All of them. I should also mention that I have a degree in psychology. And even though I never thought divorce would happen to me or my family-- it did.
Here's what people need to realize, you can't influence people who don't want to be influenced.
I discovered my spouse was having multiple affairs (all intimate). I was literally sick- throwing up, shaking uncontrollably, diarrhea...it was miserable on so many levels. My heart was completely broken. My children's hearts were completely shattered.
I did EVERYTHING I could to try and help my husband through. He didn't want help. He wanted to begin a new life and live a destructive lifestyle with one of the other women.
During this time, we spoke to the bishop. He tried so hard to help my husband. But there was no desire on his part. We saw a professional therapist to see if he could reach him. The therapist told me that my husband was a "sex addict" and that it would be a very long road. He said that he could not even begin to help us work on the marriage until he worked with my husband first. He said if he tried to work on the marriage, it wouldn't matter what I did. I could do everything 100% correct and it still wouldn't be enough. He needed to help my husband through his issues that were causing him to feel self destructive. He had been sexually, physically, and emotionally abused as a child. It made him feel unworthy.
The counselor tried to encourage my husband to get through a certain point of counseling before filing for divorce. He didn't want to hear that. He didn't care to keep the family together. Therefore, he stopped seeing the counselor, walked out on our family, and sent me divorce papers via Fed Ex.
It has been the most heart wrenching thing to watch the emotional struggles of my children. They were also betrayed and abandoned by a man we all loved and trusted.
Yes, mutual respect would have prevented my divorce- but it can not be one sided. One sided does NOT work. Believe me. I tried. I tried so hard.
My ex married one of his mistresses the day our divorce was final. He hasn't visited our kids in 2 years.
It has been 4 years since I discovered the adultery. 3 years since my divorce was final. I thought I would probably never marry again. I didn't know how I would ever trust another man. I wondered if there really was such a thing as a decent, righteous man.
To make a long story shorter. :) I remarried an AMAZING man. He is so good and he respects me and loves me. He has taken my children in as his own and loves them as a father should. It is beautiful.
Dear Anonymous,
Thank you for sharing your story. My heart hurts for the heartbreak you and your children suffered. I'm so glad you have found real love. What a gift.
Dear Readers,
One thing I failed to mention is...this formula does not work when addiction or mental illness is involved. I know wives who are very faithful,devoted spouses that do everything right but see their marriages fall apart because of choices that are out of their control. My heart goes out to those wonderful women.
Nancy--
I think generalized advice about these personal things can be damaging. I was really upset during that RS meeting with the Dr. when he said that if you were having sexual dysfunction issues to just "try to enjoy the closeness." I really liked the Dr., but felt that he would NEVER say that to a roomful of men. It just would not happen.
Marriage is a partnership that involves communication to keep both people happy. Not just one.
Absolutely shocking and from where I'm sitting it's so outdated I want to scream!! I agree with Chantal to a point - men have a list of things too that if they did, would probably avoid divorce. Help with Housework? Agree. Give more massages and other romantic gestures... agree... where I dont agree is that it will lead to more sex. For me if my Husband does this, I will be happy and relaxed and wont get my knickers in a twist when he wants to do boys stuff like be on the computer/play his guitar. AS for number 3, agree, but I want to add 'be grateful' for what us women do behind the scenes that they all take for granted...
I can't really put my finger on what exactly is so obnoxious about what the teacher said, but it just is!
Ditto to what all these ladies have said, and WOW especially to Anonymous.
I stumbled upon your blog aswell.
I agree that women can claim much powerin the relationship, but it isn't just in sex. If that was the case it would seem a little like pulling him aroung by the, well you know what!
I think that to have a strong marriage it takes mutual respect. If you are not respecting his thoughts and he respecting yours that is not profitable.
I have only been married for 3 years so I have a lot of learnig to do in this area. I think I would have had about the same reaction though.
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